Thanks Olivia and Donna - he bought another sports jacket today for Fjords he never wears tux dark suit- he is worse than any teenage girl I ever raised - tis' his problem - if I had my way I'd miss every formal night and eat in my cozy cabin - I could make 40 lbs work for 3 weeks - not a debate for me - he is headache for me with the clothes :eek: :eek: