While I was writing my seemingly endless post above, I missed Ngaire's very sensible post (she is the sensible one, leaving the rest of us free to be moderately to majorly hysterical). I absolutely agree that we should not consider that the whole line or even one ship of the line has gone to total hell in a handbasket (whatever a handbasket is) because of one or two stupid incidents. That is not to say that management is not responsible for those incidents; but they should not be the primary determining factors in the choices one makes of a cruise or cruiseline. One of the great advantages of boards such as this is that one can learn of incidents which are isolated, as well as disturbing trends. Telling the difference is not easy but is crucial. I personally do not consider that we have witnessed a distressing trend in either RSSC in general or the PG in particular. The continued participation of good LCTers helps all of us make those distinctions by having the most information available. (Not to mention that good healthy LCT time is time not spent on eBay or those nasty internet sites!!) Cheers, Fred