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Re: Silver Discoverer [Re: Ngaire] #241903 07/23/14 12:48 PM
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Hanging on to every picture of the bears !! You are seeing such great things, love all your postings !


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NGAIRE HERE - Ken was signed in not me!

Susan no answers with expedition trips everything is flexible and they figure it all out as they go. There are many different routes to go in the passage.. The ship really wants to navigate the passage to NOME or it messes up their entire schedule.

Just about to start the recap but just heard we are heading towards some whales be back soon

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UNGA VILLAGE

A photographer’s paradise. Other than the bears this was my favorite day. This was a wet beach landing (very easy) and then a grassy knoll with many dilapidated buildings. This was a gold mining town in the early 1900s. The area was covered with wildflowers and even yellow raspberries that I have never seen before. One couple said they can get them in California but that they are very expensive.

The church was so interesting. With most of the building looking like it had sunk into the ground, the steeple was proudly still resting on the top of the building like a landmark. Some of the buildings had corroded old machinery inside.

On one vantage point overlooking a beautiful beach with rocks and hills in the background and under a very large tree was a grave. 1911 – 1916 – Morna Wilson – Rest in Peace our Darling Child. That kind of got to me to think they had a child in this remote place who died at such a young age.

The scenery from the island was spectacular. Gorgeous in every direction. Ken will post some pictures.

The town had obviously planted trees as there were no trees anywhere except the village. At the very top of the hill there was Great Horned Owl in a tree. He was big and very visible. The cameras were clicking away all morning.

Just a wonderful place to visit. We ended up missing the hike or the beach walk as we were so busy just exploring. The day finished with a zodiac ride to the bird cliffs that were very close by. This is the most puffins we have ever seen. The other birds were at the bottom of the cliff and the top of the cliff was just covered in puffins. Problem is they were flying around but not landing for Ken to take good pictures.

As the ship was to pull anchor and leave the bridge announced there were whales ahead. They were humpback whales. Not good sightings a few flukes and lots of blows.

Then off to lunch I was starving. The food has been so good here. Soups yummy. I did a special order of steamed vegetables each day and they have had a good variety of food. Todays main were Chinook Salmon, Strip Sirlion on the carving, Thai mixed seafood, chicken breasts and a veal dish. They always have a daily pasta. This with vegetables and starch. Yesterday they made fresh panini sandwiches about four different types. Nikon Ken, they appear to have a good selection of cheese at lunch. (not that I am an expert on cheese) and tons of REALLY good fruit. Last night I had lamb chops two double chops (regular order) they were really good. So no problems on the food front.

We have an afternoon at sea and I need that now. Tomorrow we arrive at Dutch Harbor. Ken is working on some pictures hopefully he can get some posted today.

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Susan, this is current ice forecast for the critical areas. Pay attention to Queen Maud Gulf (definitely will transit) and either Victoria Strait or possibly Larsen Sound. Peel Sound is planned but can bypass going through Beloit Strait (used last year as Peel Sound never cleared).

These forecasts only go through 15 August; ice continues to clear through early September so really need to see next forecast.

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THIRTY DAY ICE OUTLOOK FOR THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL ARCTIC FOR MID-JULY TO MID-AUGUST ISSUED BY THE NORTH AMERICAN ICE SERVICE ON 18 JULY 2014.
THE NEXT 30 DAY OUTLOOK WILL BE ISSUED ON 1 AUGUST 2014.
Summary for July 1 to 16.
Average air temperatures were above normal values over most locations except near normal from Queen Maud Gulf to Peel Sound and along the Alaskan Coast west of Barter Island. Ice melt was near normal over most locations except 2 to 3 weeks earlier than normal over the eastern section of the Beaufort Sea and in Amundsen Gulf.
Weather forecast for July 18 to August 15.
Average air temperatures will be near normal values over most locations except above normal over the Central Arctic.
Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula.
July 18 to 31. Open water.
August 1 to 15. Ice free.
Mackenzie Bay to Cape Bathurst.
July 18 to 31. Open water.
August 1 to 15. Ice free.
Beaufort Sea south of 75°N.
July 18 to 31.
Open drift to close pack first-year ice along the western shore of Banks Island becoming very open to open drift ice during the fourth week. Open water within 60 miles west of Banks Island, 100 miles north of Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula and 60 miles north of Barter Island. Within 120 miles of the Alaskan Coast west of Barter Island open drift to close pack first-year ice with a trace of old ice becoming very open to open drift ice during the fourth week. North of 72°N close to very close pack old ice.
August 1 to 15.
Ice melting completely along the western shore of Banks Island in early August. Open water within 60 miles west of Banks Island, 100 miles north of Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula and 60 miles north of Barter Island. Within 120 miles of the Alaskan Coast west of Barter Island very open to open drift first-year ice with a trace of old ice melting completely during the second week. North of 72°N close to very close pack old ice becoming open drift to close pack ice west of 140°W during the second week.
Arctic Ocean north of 75°N.
July 18 to August 15.
Close to very close pack old ice.
Cape Lisburne to Point Barrow.
July 18 to 31.
South of Wainwright open water. North of Wainwright open drift to close pack first- year ice with 1 tenth of old ice.
August 1 to 15.
South of Wainwright open water. North of Wainwright very open to open drift first- year ice with 1 tenth of old ice melting completely during the second week.
Amundsen Gulf.
July 18 to 31.
Very open to open drift first-year ice over the extreme eastern section and near Prince of Wales Strait becoming very open drift ice during the fourth week. Elsewhere open water.
August 1 to 15.
Ice along the extreme eastern section and near Prince of Wales Strait melting completely during the first week then open water. Elsewhere ice free.
Coronation Gulf.
July 18 to 31.
Over the western section very open to open drift first-year ice becoming very open drift ice during the fourth week. Over the eastern section close to very close pack first-year ice becoming open drift to close pack ice during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Ice melting completely during the first week then open water.
Queen Maud Gulf.
July 18 to 31.
Over the extreme eastern section consolidated first-year ice fracturing during the fourth week then close to very close pack ice. Elsewhere close to very close pack first-year ice becoming open drift to close pack ice during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Over the western section very open to open drift first-year ice becoming very open drift ice during the second week. Over the eastern section open drift to close pack first-year ice becoming very open to open drift ice during the second week.
Victoria Strait.
July 18 to 31.
Close to very close pack first-year ice with a trace of old ice.
August 1 to 15.
Close to very close pack first-year ice with a trace of old ice becoming open drift to close pack ice during the second week.
Larsen Sound.
July 18 to August 15.
Close to very close pack first-year ice with up to 2 tenths of old ice
Peel Sound.
July 18 to 31.
Consolidated first-year ice with up to 2 tenths of old ice fracturing during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Close to very close pack first-year ice with up to 2 tenths of old ice. Ice over the northern section becoming open drift to close pack ice during the second week.

M’Clintock Channel.
July 18 to 31.
Consolidated first-year ice with a trace of old ice except for an area of consolidated old and first year ice over the central section. Ice fracturing during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Close to very close pack old and first-year ice.
Viscount Melville Sound.
July 18 to 31.
Consolidated first-year ice with up to 2 tenths of old ice over the western section. Consolidated old and first-year ice over the eastern section. Ice fracturing during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Close to very close pack first-year ice with up to 2 tenths of old ice over the western section. Close to very close pack old and first-year ice over the eastern section.
M’Clure Strait.
July 18 to 31.
Very open drift old ice over the western third. Over the central section close to very close pack first-year ice with up to 4 tenths of old ice. Over the eastern third consolidated first-year ice with up to 4 tenths of old ice fracturing during the fourth week.
August 1 to 15.
Very open to open drift old ice over the western third. Elsewhere close to very close pack first-year ice with up to 4 tenths of old ice becoming open drift to close pack ice during the second week.




Re: Silver Discoverer [Re: petlover] #241907 07/23/14 06:41 PM
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Ken, great images as usual!!!



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Re: Silver Discoverer [Re: Ngaire] #241908 07/23/14 07:55 PM
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Photos from Unga Island, Alaska:

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Grave of five year old girl.

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Great Horned Owl.

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Tufted Puffins high on a cliff.

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Beautiful!

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I'm certainly enjoying the exciting reports and beautiful photos. Thank you for taking the time to share with us! We all miss being with you too!

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If you want solitude UNGA village is the place for you, Good deal on some "fixer- uppers."



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Gorgeous photos! Love hearing about your trip - as always!


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Dutch Harbor and Unalaska town today. Amazingly a nice sunny day but quite a bit of wind as is normal for this area. We have been here before. It was still nice to see it again and I bought a new hat for the Northwest Passage and looking forward to trying it out tomorrow on the zodiac. Ken got some pictures of young bald eagle just brown and white at this age. He is looking at this shots now hopefully will post today or tomorrow.

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Nice late start day we did not board the zodiacs until 10.00 am.

Today we were at St. Paul and it was very foggy. We have been SO fortunate with the weather and fog in this region is very common and this is the first time we have seen the fog. The fog seemed to lift a little and we could see the land. On the way in we saw seals in the water. Then we saw a seal with a flounder in its mouth I hope Ken got a shot of that.

On arrival we walked a short distance to a church and museum that we could visit but we elected to go straight to the wildlife. We boarded a little bus it was just over a mile to the wildlife area. Some elected to walk from the church.

On the agenda for today was a seal haul out, bird cliffs including horned and tufted puffins and the hope of an arctic fox. We went to the seals first. It was way too rocky to walk the area, with huge boulders. So the island constructed a platform that held about 15 peoples so we could easily to view the seals. It worked really well. The seals came right up the platform to voice their displeasure at our presence. It was a little smelly but not too bad. The pups were only about one month old and there were tons of them around. The large males kept their multiple females in line and it was an amazing scene. I have seen seals like this before often from a zodiac and of course on foot in South Georgia and Antarctica. When I first heard the words “a blind” I thought this would not be as good as past experiences but I was wrong. This was really enjoyable.

Then off to the bird cliffs. Normally you see puffins from the zodiacs and they are high on a cliff or sometimes in the water but they do not sit still long. This is the first time we have been on top of a cliff looking down on the birds. There were both horned and tufted puffins. Ken was in heaven racing to the highest point with his two cameras around his neck and disappearing very quickly. It was a great sight and we saw both the horned and tufted puffins.

The local guide had a telescope that really was superb to view the puffins. He was a birder and said the unique thing about this island is when they have big storms birds from Russia and China get caught in the winds and swept to this island. So after a big storm everyone is out scouting the different varieties of birds that have “blown in”

Just as we were about to leave one person spied an arctic fox. He was looking at a seal on the rocks and then saw the fox. They are brown in the summer and turn white in the winter. It was a good sighting he was not too far away. So that rounded off the wonderful morning. All missions accomplished.

Food continues to please! Last night a really good rack of lamb and I know a good rack from an average rack!

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I did not answer some questions from earlier posts.

No self service laundry. Over 100 nights on Silversea and the laundry is complimentary. Pricing $6 for pants and shirts, $2 for socks, $3.50 for tee shirts. Pretty standard pricing.

The Discoverer is smaller than the Explorer. There is no shop but items on display they can get for you. There is only one lounge that is used for recaps and pre and post dinner drinks. There is the main dining room for lunch (pool grill menu - burgers etc) and dinner. There is a casual restaurant that also has on deck dining for breakfast and lunch. They do their "hot rocks" dining at night on deck when the weather co-operates. They put your meat or fish in on a scalding hot tile and you cook it yourself at the table. The explorer has the extra Panorama and Observation lounges.

Staff here continues to be outstanding. Only eight waiters and they do a remarkable job. The expedition team is great and really take advantage of every landing site to give the guests the best experience. Delightful reception staff as well. The ship runs very smoothly.

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Guess I will have to wait on discoverer till we have 100 days on silversea to get the laundry. Oh well, we have quite a few days already.
Love your descriptions of the seals.

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Dutch Harbor and Unalaska:

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The Russian Orthdox Church.

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Crab Pots waiting for the next season.

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This store is shown on "DEADLIEST CATCH".

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In a couple of weeks this stream will have lots of salmon swimming up it.

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Juvenile Bald Eagles looking for lunch. The adult plumage develops when they are sexually mature. It takes about five years for their head and tail feathers to gradually turn white.

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Fabulous seamail !! Thank you.

We want More, More ...


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Photos From St. Paul Island:

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The Blind where we viewed the Northern Fur Seals.

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Arctic Fox - in the winter they shed the brown coat and grow a white coat, Amazing!!

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My Puffin Photos from St. Paul Island:

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Tufted Puffins on the side of a cliff.

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Horned Puffins.

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Tufted Puffins having a dispute.

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Could it be a squabble between two males?

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And the winner is.

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Horned Puffins.

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An uneventful day. Last night I ate onions, I took a risk to have a dish I wanted but paid the price today. I never learn! At least the effects of the onions only lasts about 24 hours.

So Ken went out this morning and it was mostly a hike on the tundra. Lots of beautiful flowers and checking out things on the beach. We both passed up the zodiac ride this afternoon and we will find out what we missed at tonights recap. Looking forward to the next few days as we visit Russian Islands.

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Sorry about your distress. Onions are VERY healthful for MOST people . They ward off Bad bacteria - e-coli, salmonella (not the lounge singer) and lowers blood pressure. Onions are in the lily family! (A NICE family.)



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Amazing puffin photos Ken. Thanks for posting so many. I think they must be the best I have ever seen.
Ngaire - I can't believe you ate onions again! I do hope the dish was delish.
I am also looking forward to your Russian islands adventures.


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Ngaire, as you know, I have a stomach that eat and digest literally anything I throw at it, But I am truly sorry about your onion problem. Get well soon!

Love the pics, ESP of the seals as they are one of my very favorite animals in the world. And the fox is pretty cute too.

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Onions no big deal I have lived with it all my life. Certainly a lot of worse things to be allergic too and also my reactions are not serious just some nausea and burping like a sailor (very classy for sure) Actually I really enjoyed my LAZY day yesterday.

We have arrived in RUSSIA - in the mining town of Provideniya. Even Russians have to get special visa to visit here. There is a an abandoned Russian Miltary Base perhaps that is the reason.

It is a gorgeous day with bright sunshine, no wind and it is supposed to get up to 60 degrees today AND they let us dock. So no parkas or life jackets or getting ashore by zodiacs. I like the zodiacs but kind of nice to "just walk off" for a change.

We were warned that clearing the ship could take more than three hours. There are two Russian ladies aboard helping with all the immigration details. We have been docked for about an hour now and nothing over the PA yet as to the procedures. There are lectures in the theatre today to keep us busy while the check us all out.

We were told last night that we can use US $ and Euros to purchase anything on shore. However no British Pounds, Australian $ or any other currency will be accepted. So that answers your question Jim and Pat you can use US $.

Once they are sure we are all safe security risks we will have a welcome ceremony on the the dock. Then two English speaking guides will walk us through the town. Then there is a shuttle bus to the "House of Culture" where the miners wives will give a folkfore concert.

The town looks lovely from the ship. Some tall mountains with traces of snow way down to the very green lower hills with trees,
and the glistening calm blue ocean. Ken is out taking pictures but it is hard to catch the beauty of the scenery. We have been SO lucky with the weather and today is a perfect example.

Will report back after our time ashore - really looking foward to this stop.

Helen and Rachel: Had dinner with the two Helens and Steve last night and had a lovely time listening to stories of Jerry's rendition of "The House of the Rising Sun". Also how George rescued one of the Helens from the Hike from Hell!
We made plans to have dinner the last night onboard together. They were all going on SUMO originally shame that they did not stay on the trip I enjoy their company really nice people.

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Well bad news! Russia just contacted the ships in the area and said NO foreign flagged ships can land on Eastern Russia soil. There are three ships in the area now.

So here we are docked in the port we are cleared individually BUT the ship is not cleared. There is still negotiation going on and this could change.

The next trip on the Silver Explorer after the North West Passage is ALL Russian ports. Jim and Pat are booked on that. I am more worried about Jim and Pat's trip than our trip as there are options for us on the US side of the dateline. I have seen this in China before they say NO and wont let the ship in but then they "negotiate" and things are okay. There is time for this to be all be worked out by the time Jim and Pat start their trip.


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An update on international red tape.

It appears there is ONE piece of paper that is missing for our ship. Silversea had full clearance from Moscow signed by the Prime Minister but why this "one piece of paper" was not included it seems no one knows.

So not all the ships have been denied as the local officials first thought. This is being resolved now and we are hopeful we will be able to continue our voyage with our Russian ports. This WILL get resolved for future trips so Jim and Pam will be fine it is just if it gets resolved in time for our visit.

So we stay here until 11.00 pm tonight. If we get clearance we proceed to our next Russian port where all kinds of things have been planned. If not we go to Port Hope, get US clearance and then visit some native villages in Alaska.

FOR ALL THOSE ON THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE. SILVERSEA IS OFFERING COMPLIMENTARY TRANSFERS TO ALL GUESTS FROM THE PIER TO THE NOME AIRPORT. SO WE WILL NOT NEED TO USE TAXIS.



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What a disappointment, Ngaire! I have so enjoyed all your great posts and Ken's pictures so far. Bet the residents of those towns are sorely disappointed as well. Hope they can "negotiate" better than is happening in other parts of the world right now, and can work it out! Editing to say, thanks for the update.

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We will know by 11.00 pm tonight. No clearance we leave to go back to the US ports. Tomorrow looked so good the area we were going was very small where the local native population was going to perform, do dog sled rides on the beach, boat racng with guests in the boats and serve food. THe costumes were NOT Russian but sealskin outfits and looked like American Indians. Hopefully that will be in store for us tomorrow. Otherwise it is a day at sea.

Conrad the expedition leader did say these communities only get about three ships a year and had been making preparations for our visit that the local officials were very disappointed. Silversea is still going to give the locals the funding that was promised for our visit and the passengers applauded that decision. It is never the "people" it is always the governments in all countries that cause the issues.

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I can only imagine how disappointed you must be. Will keep checking back and hoping to see good news. Nevertheless, if there are any two people I know who are good at "going with the flow" it's the two of you! Loving the photos!


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Wow that is just awful! I am sure there are some very disappointed pax aboard but mostly how disappointing for the people in the port(s). Good to hear that SS is doing the right thing re those folks
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Never got permission from Russia. Before we can visit any new landing sites in the USA we have to through Imigration & Customs and be cleared to enter the USA again. So we are now sailing towards POINT HOPE, ALASKA population 695 and Silversea is trying to pay for a plane to fly up some immigration staff to clear the ship. This is not a usual clearance port but it has been done before so they are hoping this will pulled off. In this area of Port Hope there are some interesting remote villages so at the same time they are trying to arrange things for us once we are cleared. If all this works at Port Hope we may really enjoy our time there.

So Helen and Steve play hearts - they brought cards with them and asked us if we played hearts. So that is what we are doing to fill in the sea time as it takes 27 hours to sail to Point Hope from Provideniya, Russia. They also have lectures of course. One of the expedition staff named Chris has the best dry humor and delivers it with no expression. Yesterday at the recap he showed his bird photos, REALLY BAD PHOTOS. Explaining why it is better to have pictures out of focus etc etc. We were all in hysterics. There was one average photo, then he said "well I guess I should admit I got this one off the internet".

He is talking this afternoon on Whales, I do not care WHAT he is talking about I willl not miss him!

So we will let you know the next episode of "The battle of the government immigration services". If this does not work we have to go to Nome to clear and there perhaps visit some locations around Nome.

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Wow, how disappointing about the Russian ports, both for you and the people there. When we missed one of our ports in the Azores, I was disappointed, but I felt really bad for the guy I had hired to drive us around for the day.

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Well the continuing saga. Another ship is now blocked from entering Russia. We heard it is JUST this Chukchi area of Russia having this problem. The other Russian ports are not blocked. This is where an old military base is situated and may have somethng to do with that. They are sensitive about even Russians visiting here.

Port Hope is no longer possible, lack of manpower to provide immigration service. So we are off to Nome. We arrive at 10.00 pm tonight and get clearance. Then we sail again and have two landing spots tomorrow. Then back to Nome for a day in port. They are arranging two tours for all of us, one for dog sledding and a tour about the gold rush.





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We've sailed into Port HOPE many times - but this Port Hope is between Toronto and Kingston, Ontario, Canada across Lake Ontario from New York State.
Almost NO hassle! Sometimes officials ask what we had on our boat. Once we were asked if we had any Budgee Birds aboard! We didn't and I don't even know how to spell the bird name- DUH!



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Originally Posted by Ngaire
An update on international red tape.

It appears there is ONE piece of paper that is missing for our ship. Silversea had full clearance from Moscow signed by the Prime Minister but why this "one piece of paper" was not included it seems no one knows.




I have a feeling that one piece of missing paper is going to cost Silversea a lot of money.



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I am do sorry to hear this. Have been following this thread closely as it was so interesting with such great photos. I certainly hope the next trip does not experience these issues. Hope the rest goes well for you

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Ngaire, while I have been unable to do any of these expeditions cruises on Silversea, for one reason or the other (being green with envy, of course) now I see why you like to "pave" the way, so to speak, for your clients for new ships and operators. You have done so much research into River cruises, for instance, and insisted on doing the same before you escorted our first African Safari trip.

Please know that we appreciate these "advance" trips to clear the way for both the cruise lines, the operators, and for us, to open up new travel arenas for all of us!
I know you make lemonade wherever in the world you are, and will just go with the flow.

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Originally Posted by jhp
Ngaire, while I have been unable to do any of these expeditions cruises on Silversea, for one reason or the other (being green with envy, of course) now I see why you like to "pave" the way, so to speak, for your clients for new ships and operators. You have done so much research into River cruises, for instance, and insisted on doing the same before you escorted our first African Safari trip.

Please know that we appreciate these "advance" trips to clear the way for both the cruise lines, the operators, and for us, to open up new travel arenas for all of us!
I know you make lemonade wherever in the world you are, and will just go with the flow.


Ditto !!

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From a Russian site using google translate, an article about Silver Explorer's attempt to visit Russia:

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In the port of Providence in Chukotka tourists from a cruise ship Silver Discoverer forbidden to go ashore, despite the visa and permission from the government of the Russian Federation on the implementation of the cruise. Corresponding ban came from the FSB. On board are 85 foreign tourists, most of whom - American retirees. The company "Pacific Network" sent a letter to Dmitry Medvedev to be allowed to continue the cruise.

Chukotka banned carry cruise ship program Silver Discoverer, which arrived on Sunday in Port Providence. On board were 85 tourists from the U.S., UK, Germany, Australia, most of whom are pensioners. From July 27 to August 1, they had to take a cruise along the coast of Chukotka and go ashore to visit the villages of Chukotka for tourism purposes. The company "Pacific Network", the general agent in Russia for foreign cruise ships, has requested to enforce the cruise flights to Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. Corresponding letters also sent to the Ministry of Transport and Rosturizm. At present the vessel Silver Discoverer, arriving from American Dutch Harbor, stands at the port of Providence.

Twelve-day cruise, one of the parts of the program which is to visit Chukotka, was to end in Alaska. All 85 tourists on board, there is a current Russian tourist visas. Bound for the vessel was opened, passengers was designed to enter the Russian Federation. But the ship tourists get no results.

"While the program is not running. Tourists should visit one of the Chukchi villages, where they organized a concert, visiting the museum, walk and tea. After 1 August cruise was to return to the shores of Alaska, where tourists also waiting for entertainment "- says" Gazeta.ru "Director of Legal Affairs' Pacific Network" Irina Nekrashevich. It should be noted that the cost of this cruise starts from 10 thousand dollars.

According to the head "Pacific Network" Sergei Frolov, the entire cruise is designed for 12 days, of which seven have passed. "In Alaska, the vessel must change the passengers and return to Russia for a two week cruise. Besides that we have the current cruise breaks and next also comes into question. Just as questionable gathering of tourists on the beach with two vessels that go behind Silver Discoverer. Also stated that these tourists will not come ashore, "- said Frolov. According to him, on this route every year the company makes six or seven cruises.

"The situation is close to an international scandal and subject to considerable financial risk for foreign and Russian side," - said in a statement the company "Pacific Network."

The reason for the ban on the gathering of tourists from the ship began to permit rejections all the tourists in the border zone of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug. And failure not only touched the vessel Silver Discoverer, but followed by a cruise ship Hanseatic. That is to disembark was banned 300 tourists on board the two ships. Chukotka authorities claim that the bodies authorized to make decisions on the harmonization of entry and residence of foreign nationals and stateless persons on the territory of Chukotka, decided to refuse entry.

In a letter addressed to Medvedev, said that the border department of the FSB Russia Chukotka Autonomous District confirms that all the necessary documents to obtain a badge for entry into the border zone for foreign tourists ship Silver Discoverer and Hanseatic were obtained. At the same FSB refers to a letter from the Federal Tourism Agency May 13, 2014, which recommended not to perform cruises. Despite the fact that such flights allowed the Government.

"Applications from companies organizing cruise tours, come somewhere for six months. Application of the "Pacific Network" Received November 18, 2013. She was sent for approval to the competent authorities. As a result of a letter from the Federal Tourism Agency May 13, 2014 agreed on a number of cruises.

For a particular vessel Silver Discoverer, question, cruise was agreed only 2 to July 10. That cruise that passes now, has not been agreed, so any problems. Agreement by competent authorities, we are talking about border security, so the question to them, "- explained" to the Newspaper "in the Federal Tourism Agency. Office now also trying to solve this issue, as there were numerous complaints about this cruise.

"There is an ancient order, when travel and research vessels must coordinate their actions with Rosturizm. We always put in their fame. But their agreement does not matter as there is a government order. Current actions, we still associate with the actions of Ukraine, more than to anything we can not tie it. We do not understand why the government did not comply with the orders, "- said Frolov.

According to him, 60 days before the cruise staff of all documents sent through the administration of Chukotka in the FSB, which issues permits for the gathering of Chukotka. "All this was done. But on Friday they informed the governor of Chukotka administration that they will not issue badges because they were so encouraged by higher authority based in Moscow ", - said Frolov.

He said that the governor of Chukotka, sent an urgent telegram about the situation Dmitry Medvedev.

These cruises, including Chukotka, organized since 1998. Since 2008, the Russian government has published an annual special orders, which allow foreign vessels with tourists in settlements located in areas of internal waters and territorial sea of the Russian Federation, including Chukotka. In particular, tourists visit the National Park "Beringia" Reserve "Wrangel Island" and national Chukchi villages.

"Foreign shipowners on behalf of the ship's captain declared marine protest to the Russian authorities of the prohibition on cruising. Actions of the Russian Border Guard Service in the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug perceived foreign party as the response by the Russian authorities on a number of economic sanctions the EU and the United States imposed on our country, in response to the situation in Ukraine is not conducive to peace and normalization of the international situation, "- said in the letter. Company asks to allow further implementation of foreign ships cruise flights with tourists, with overhangs and drop offs at authorized points for tourists who participate in the cruise.


For Freddie, here is the Russian text so you can give a better translation:

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cyrillic text didn't work. waah



And here is the url: http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2014/07/28/6148489.shtml

Freddie, if you can help with salient points from the Russian, I think we would all appreciate it; google translation is good but obviously lacking.

Edited to add:

Another article: http://lifenews.ru/news/137441

I didn't translate but it may be worthwhile as there are "comments" too



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Oh I would love to hear from Fred on this one!

It makes no more sense to me than the reports I hear from Ukraine separatists on TV. A LOT lost in translation. But looks like tit for tat to me even though this is Russia, and not Ukraine. Ngaire, like you said, it is never the people, but the government.

What is the FSB, Marc?





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Originally Posted by jhp

What is the FSB, Marc?


It is Federal Security Bureau and you need a FSB Permit to visit certain parts of Russia; here is an article I found on Chukotka:

http://in.rbth.com/arts/travel/2013/05/27/chukotka_offers_a_new_frontier_for_adventurers_25387.html

Yet another Russian news report; this one translates better.

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Liner passengers banned from Alaska to disembark in Chukotka
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More than 60 foreign tourists arriving in Chukotka on a cruise ship from Alaska, could not go ashore because this route has not been agreed.

As reported by RIA Novosti on Tuesday, chairman of the Sports and Tourism Regional Government Irina Ryabukhina, situation due to misunderstanding on the part of the Federal Tourism Agency. "In November last year, the cruise company has sent a request for information on the resolution of a given route Rosturizm. In February, the Russian government adopted a decree on the resolution of these cruises, which implies a settlement of the cruise program. However, on May 13 Rosturizm receives a document that does not recommend cruises. Based on this document comes FSB letter, which says that the passage of the ship is not allowed "- said Ryabukhina.

She noted that the Chukotka Governor Roman Kopin sent telegrams to Rosturizm and power structures. The ship was on the wharf about 13.00 to 20.00 local time on July 28. All this time, 63 foreign tourists were not allowed to go ashore. 20.00 After the vessel has received permission to retreat and came out of the borders of Russia.

According to RIA Novosti regional FSB Border Guard, July 25 against department received information about the inconsistency of the route of foreign cruise liner with Rosturizm. "The Host - local cruise company - was promptly informed that the gathering of tourists to the territory of Chukotka Autonomous Area is not allowed. However, on July 28 in Providence Bay liner went. And though pogranrezhima violations have been identified, but due to lack of permission of stay on the territory of Russian tourists ashore was banned, "- said the agency interlocutor.

He added that on July 31 in Chukotka will approach another cruise liner foreign Hanseatic, route which is also not consistent. "Accordingly, the situation is repeated. A ship may be in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, in particular, off the coast of Chukotka, but foreign tourists stay with this cruise is not allowed. In this pre-cruise company notified of this situation. In addition, in August and September will approach liners Pacific Venus (Japan) and El Astral (France). Rosturizm also confirms their route, and the FSB will not allow tourists staying here "- said the agency interlocutor.


With Hanseatic, Silver Discoverer, and Silver Explorer all having multiple visit to Chukotka planned, I am surprised haven't seen reports in US press. In fact, kind of amused that we have a long thread here and nary a whisper on CC.

I think I need to look at German press, Hanseatic's next trip is round trip to Wrangel Island; would be kind of bad if the main point of the trips gets cancelled. The trip after that is a Northeast Passage trip; definitely need to get it fixed before then.

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