Pat, I agree you never said anything about slobs; that was my point about a possible slippery slope (of course it was not too far of a stretch from shorts and running shoes in show lounge).

Richard, I love informal nights. Nothing wrong with informal nights.

Denise, definitely have seen rude and crude well dressed people too. Just fewer of them per capita than the other side.

Olivia, this is "kid" seaon in DC. The Hilton I am at has had at least 100 kids each week. Sure is a difference when I was on a regular floor (due to remodelling) than when I am on Executive Floor. On the Executive Floor, there is less running down the hall and loud conversations at midnight right outside your door.

Please read the other cruise boards. Stories about behaviour - kids, adults, and seniors - makes you wonder how folks have an enjoyable vacation anymore. The "me" generation seems to be forgetting that there are others out there. Reminds me of Camus' "The Myth of Sysyphus" wherein all is legal (except murder) irregardless on the impact on others.