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ROAR 2 people please read. #209203 06/07/06 04:07 AM
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Now we have this new FORUM - ROAR 2 so we dont drive the non ROAR 2 people crazy.

Well let me throw a "kink" in the wheel.

It appears that more people want Leopard Hills than want Singita. This time people are more price sensitive.

I heard from Singita today, they will NOT confirm 2007 pricing as Seasons in Africa will. They are saying that they will not be able to work on a bush breakfast with Leopard Hills on their property. They threw that back to Leopard Hills to sponsor. I dont think Singita is too keen on the idea.They have the facility, it would be possible to use their area on a day the other camp EBONY was not using it. I honestly felt that this would not fly in the first place. The Sabi Sands areas the camps have "private" land and this is a very strong issue. My instinct is that the joint bush breakfast is going to be a problem and wont be taking place. (no problem at Madiwke they will work it out we will have a joint breakfast there)

Since we are going to be at separate camps anyway, and there will be no way to do a mutual get together, and more people wanted the lower price than wanted Singita, I had another thought.

I started to think about Kings Camp, the third Seasons in Africa property. This is in the Timbavati region, top end of Kruger.

My only concern was it was not all inclusive. I emailed last night and they came back this morning (love their fast reponse) that in 2007 the property will be all inclusive of local wines and sprits, only difference no complimentary laundry. I also received the 2007 rates for Seasons in Africa. Yipee these were not out anywhere.

Kings Camp is a nice camp and I have always thought it was priced way too low, an incredible value. I use it all the time.

I think this will work it is a link to a map of where the lodges are located.
http://196.41.3.213/admin/uploads/57/documents/Seasons%20in%20Africa%20Map.pdf

Also hate to muddy the waters further but in 2007 they offer stay for 6 nights and pay for 5 nights or stay for 8 nights and pay for 6 nights.---- Marc may be all over that he wants as many game drives as he can get.

However, you must have the 7th and 8th free nights at one of the lodges where you spend the first six nights. So you cannot do Madikwe (3) Leopard Hills (3) and then go to Kings Camp for the last two. You would have to extend the Leopard Hills or Kings Camp stay by two nights to get the special. I am sure they would honor that for us for 2008 as well. The free two nights would have to be at the last camp, either Leopard Hills or Kings Camp and would be priced at the lowest rate camp at which you stayed.

REMEMBER you are ALL getting one night free anyway, staying for SIX nights and paying for FIVE. So this would be staying for EIGHT nights and paying for SIX nights. It would still cost more for that extra paid Sixth night.

The rooms are great, the game is great, this is the best leopard country I have experienced, and where Ken got all his great leopard shots. Each room is a "villa" and the rooms are really wonderful, no problem with the rooms.

www.bkafrica.com
Then go to properties, click on Timbavati, then click on Kings Camp for my review and pictures. Link to the Kings Camp website is on the bottom of that page.

It just has a different feel than Leopard Hills or Singita. It is on "flat" land with regular walkways between the rooms rather than built on a river or with wooden raised decks. There is a watering hole right in front of the property and a great bar "hide" up high where you can sit in the afternoon and watch the watering hole with BIG plush chairs. Nice spot.

This would offer those that are more price sensitive an even greater value than Leopard Hills. It is also combinable with Madikwe Hills for the one night free special. I do think those that go there will be pleased. In a sense you always get what you pay for in the end. So you must realise that if you make this choice. They dont have "plunge" pools. This property is one I would go to in an instant myself, and you know what a princess I am. Leopard Hills IS nicer. I know someone is going to email and say "explain". You cant define it that closely, it is just the whole package, it feels more "in the bush" at Leopard Hills. The game viewing should be fairly equal. Land prettier at Leopard Hills, just like Singita, but great chance for the elusive Leopard at Kings Camp.

I looked at the rates, I cant price the whole safari but just looking at rack rates we can see the differences in the pricing for the game park part of the safari.

Per person per night pricing for 2007 rates. Plus one night free - of course this free night will always be at the least expensive camp in your program. I figured it out with the one night free included and the overall savings PER PERSON will be about $1300 using Kings Camp instead of Leopard Hills. That adds up to $2600 a couple.

Leopard Hills:$950 Madikwe Hills:$650 Kings Camp:$416

2006 Singita $1190 - will go up in 2007

Flights wont be an issue. After Madikwe, One plane to Leopard Hills and one plane to Kings Camp

As to the Madikwe Hills versus Matyea. Matyea is more per night and no one night free, but also worth more. I am sure some will be willing to pay for Mateya. That wont be a problem.

This is something to think about. COMMENTS PLEASE.

If you prefer Kings Camp please either post here or email me and let me know. In fact it may be wise to post a poll, lets see how the days goes.

I think we have the dates in stone, now it just this last decision, Singita or Kings Camp as the second property

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209204 06/07/06 04:36 AM
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I am game (no pun intended) with either. I love the idea of saving $2500 with King's camp over Leopard Hills and as we wrote back and forth yesterday, Leopard Hills was about $3000 less than Singita. I would "rough" it for $5500 less. Sign me up for willing to go with King's camp.

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209205 06/07/06 04:41 AM
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I am flexible! :)


Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209206 06/07/06 04:56 AM
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Does Kings Camp have bathtubs? They listed indoor and outdoor showers, but not tubs; I'm assuming they do, but want to make sure.

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209207 06/07/06 05:10 AM
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Yes, they have bathtubs and I had the whole treatment with the rose petals and bubble bath on my stay there.

I am also adding another KINK.. This is more work for me as well but this is very important and I just want this to be as wonderful as possible for everyone so bear with me.

Since so few wanted Singita it made me rethink the whole process.

I just got off the phone with Central Reservations for Birkenhead House and ROYAL MALEWANE. They are owned by the same person Liz Biden. I have met Liz several times and had lunch with her at Birkenhead House on my last trip. Super lovely lady. Anyway I asked them to check with Liz to see if they could offer us both 2007 rates and some type of package deal for Birkenhead House and Royal Malewane. She is in the air right now but they are going to call her when she lands and see if she will work out something for us. She may or may not BUT there is no harm in asking.

Royal Malewane is on the same level as Singita. There are always two trains of thought, Singita is the best, NO Royal Malewane is the best. Royal Malewane it is all about the personal touch and service. You feel it immediately on arriving.

A wonderful lodge, incredible service and food. Rooms not as big as Singita but outstanding anyway, and a new SPA that is supposed to be wonderful, Linda saw it on her last trip. Work out facilities also.

It has private land. The land I saw is more thornybush and not as attractive as Sabi Sands, but I only had two game drives and one day was incredibly windy and rainy so I did not get much of a drive the second day. So I did not see all the land that Royal Malewane has to offer. The animals were great on my first game drive. Great lion and a fantastic herd of elephant. That is my story I always tell of the male elephant checking out the "girls" and then another bull coming up to challenge.

Royal Malewane is almost next door to Kings Camp.

So if we do this it would be no Leopard Hills but Kings Camp and Royal Malewane instead. Still Madikwe and Mateya in the Madikwe area. Same thing of course five couples at Royal Malewane should stay at Mateya.

This would be a very upscale package and Kings Camp and Madikwe Hills will be an incredible value. Probably please everyone this way.

Lets see what she comes back with. Worth a try. Normally there is no offer for this combination.

Bush breakfast --- not sure. We have the private land issue again. Gets pretty complicated.

www.bkafrica.com go to Timbavati then Royal Malewane for my review.

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209208 06/07/06 05:17 AM
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Ngaire - you temptress!! Royal Malewane was where I wanted to go initially before we found out it wouldn't be big enough for all the people that wanted to go on ROAR I.

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209209 06/07/06 05:19 AM
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(reposting here) Kings Camp works fine for us too! We'll go wherever you put us.


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Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209210 06/07/06 05:55 AM
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We are flexible but the value of Kings Camp is very appealing. I'd pick Kings Camp/Madikwe Hills given the option. As long as the game viewing is good and the accommodations are comfortable, I'll be very happy!

Dena

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Ngaire, Kings Camp sounds good to us too. We're up for saving a few $ for another trip or a longer pre-post trip. Now I'm looking for someone who has a cruise leaving Capetown around this time so we can cruise home. Actually, Princess does have one, but it ends up in Sydney--now isn't that a shame! If we did that, then I'd have to find a cruise from Sydney to LA at the right time--but wait--I think Regent does that! Hmmm, more on that later...


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Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209212 06/07/06 09:05 AM
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Now I'm looking for someone who has a cruise leaving Capetown around this time so we can cruise home.
Peggy, I knew there was a reason I adore you! I'm with you....a cruise home would be perfect! Hate those long flights!


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Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209213 06/07/06 09:17 AM
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I thought that sounded like a FABULOUS idea too!!! :)


Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209214 06/07/06 09:36 AM
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I hate retired people. ;)

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209215 06/07/06 09:51 AM
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Further update - good news on the terms and conditions.

$1000 deposit per booking single or double occupancy instead of 20% which would be more.

$250 cancel fee but this is waived if B&K can sell your space. (No one paid a cancel fee on ROAR)

Ngaire

Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209216 06/07/06 12:34 PM
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Andi--I thought you liked us!!! Just kidding, I know what you mean. But you know--there's some big downsides to being retired too...in most cases, it means you're getting old! We have to travel while we still can--you have allllll that time left :)


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Re: ROAR 2 people please read. #209217 06/07/06 01:30 PM
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I loved you guys and hope to get to spend more time with you on ROAR2..but I'm very jealous..hated that 2 day trip home.


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