Frank you and I have talked about Delta it is soooo bad - we built up pts yrs ago as best airline to get out of Jacksonville when Tony was traveling - at their mercy now - not putting any of my SW pts into Delta any longer - however wiped out my acct for TUT and looked other day I have 39 thou remaining no idea where they came from and need to go and look!!!! something wrong!!! I envy the AA flyers - I had sat on US Air PTS for ages (yrs) never able to use - darn if I didn't get 2 seats coach in Oct - you never know