Thinking about the numbers here.

We either (a) split into two groups.

Group One: CPT (4)- Hermanus (2) - Game Parks (6) - 12 nights - probably first timers and some Roar who may join just in Hermanus or do Cape Town again. We escort the 12 nights.

Group Two: Hermanus (2) game parks (6) -8 nights we escort the 8 nights. Probably roarers who will so something else pre or post.

(b) have to find properties that hold enough - very few of these that is why we went with Singita.

I also thought about Royal Malewane, owned by the same people as Birkenhead House. That is a lovely property too. Might be able to get a combination rate. Maximum 20 people

Leopard Hills - maximum 18 people.

Birkenhead - maximum 22 people.

The "thing" about Singita is that it holds so many between the two camps. Right now 36

Madikwe Hills and Mateya we can get 24 at Madikwe Hills and 10 at Mateya. Total 34

If we do a group of ROARS size again it will almost have to be Madikwe and Singita. No other choice. At least Madiwke is such a value that it will help in the overall cost. We could do 2 nights Singita and 3 nights Madikwe would make a difference of about $1200 a person just cutting out one night at Singita.

In Cape Town we can do the Radisson which really is quite nice. There is another hotel which is even less and also nice(I think it is now called the Southern Sun - just changed its name) I visited during ROAR. Both these have a free shuttle to the waterfront, no more than 4 minutes. Cut the costs here, you are hardly in your hotel in Cape Town anyway. As much as I like the ambiance of Cape Grace and the staff, I also think it is overpriced, but such a great location. The hotel right in the waterfront K&D does not like much but I saw the rooms they were okay. Not sure of the cost here but that sure has the location also. Being near that waterfront is really nice.

These are the realities of a bigger group.