Marc - Despite my unfortunate status as a fumbling fool in the ways of the board (I may even have to send an inquiry to Miss Manners about my peculiar conduct), the excursion sounds like great fun, on either day, and irrespective of how loud the little FunCats are. (I will just make a larger donation to the Sierra Club to atone for the loudness of the boats - oh, the cost of hypocrisy!!) Please add us to the list of interested PIPsters. Cheers, Fred